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Jeff4freedom

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The Double = Construct ???
« on: May 16, 2018, 10:24:42 pm »
So I spent my last lifetime in a Monastery in Tibet, there I learned a technique of going through the Death process...without actually dying.....then earlier in this life hooked up with my Teachers and began the practice again.  I am a poor student and Cheat a lot, but in doing so I also learned a lot.  One thing I learned a lot about was the...as I call it, the Construct.... I believe this is what Don Juan called the double...as I have found nothing else written anywhere which relates to it. 

The "construct" is something almost all of us have, ....consider all the energy of thought and emotion that goes into defining "who we are"...over many lifetimes this is a lot of energy.  This "definition, this astral energetic definition ...according to Law must eventually manifest in some form..... this Creation is like a mirror image of WHO WE WERE......, as who we are in this very moment is advanced some beyond it because it hasn't caught up yet. So we all have these if we've been around a while.   

You hear folks talking about NDE's and coming upon the spirits of their dearly departed.... these are most of the time not that at all, but rather those folks's energetic reflections ...Constructs....Doubles?   During the death experience our Constructs (and I suppose during normal waking consciousness....they .... exist a little bit behind us....Mine is behind and to the right....Generally speaking when we "die" our momentum and focus is entirely in a forward....frontwise direction.

Now a rule I was given when going through the death process is to never be distracted by the Heaven and Hell Realms or the Constructs floating around and drawn to us by  the unique energetic expression of our desire nature.... Go straight ahead focused on the Light on the other side of what seems like a universe full of planets and constructs (the planets actually Heaven and Hell Realms. I was told to never pull into these. (which happens simply by focusing on them momentarily.. I cheated and learned the reason why.....these realms have what I call a momentum (time in our dimension) which suck you in and pull you along...and you forget who you were and it's like a whole new life that you believe to be all that is real..and time is different there, you can experience a lifetime there....in the blink of an eye "here"..My Teachers saved me.   But I'm here to talk, or question about the Construct...which is possibly the Double. 

Here's an interesting factoid....You know those things we call Ghosts......what these are is souls that turned back and gazed upon their Constructs....they pull you in to what you "were"...and you can become trapped there. Becoming a "Ghost". So I don't recall what Don Juan said about doubles, and what would happen if you were to see yours, gaze upon it.....because if the construct is the double, and you do this..... Not Good. My experience with my "Double" was not a good one. 

OH, yeah, another thing about them is that floating in their periphery, like a snake skin that has shedded off, is pieces that have no longer been fed the energy to maintain them cohesive within the doubles form....parts of ourselves that once were major in our definition and others definition of who we were....but no longer are part of that. So they are sort of still in orbit around the double, but fading. 

Well, my experience....... the worst choice I ever made, in fact one most mystics will tell you is impossible, went like this.  I was sitting in my girlfriends parents apartment, I had totally released my definition of the world and was gazing upon a fly flying....I was seeing it's entire existence, then my girlfriend walked in the door. As I looked at her I saw her past and FUTURES....as the future is determined by choices and I saw all the choices she would have to make, and the outcomes of these.... Then I saw her consciousness coming toward mine and meeting in the middle of the room, at that point she Freaked out and went into hysterics....when she calmed down she begged me to go back to "who I used to be"... Damn I loved her a lot, she later became my first wife....and because of my training in Dying and that process, and my knowledge of the Double..... I had the knowledge (I thought) of how to go back to who I was.  I was seeing all the choices she would come up against, and the ones that would allow her the speediest evolution, so I told her that I would go back to who I was....if she would "come to the Light with me".... I mean it would be simple because I saw all  the right moves, he heh.  She said, Yeah, she would.  So I went into the death process with the idea that if I looked back at my Double (that old definition that I was that was imprinted out there on the astral plane  in astral/etheric matter....I could pull it back into myself. So when I looked back I saw the shedded skin and thought, OK, that's who I was that I recently transcended...and that was floating off.  I gazed upon these old pieces of myself and they instantly became part of me. Then I came out of it, a totally different person.

First off I was totally psychic, I felt everybodies thoughts, feelings and infirmities for maybe a whole city block...and it turns out that our process of evolution, that process of defining ourselves happens in a very specific order. We add this, then this then this in ORDER. Well I pulled it all back totally out of order. I call this my Humpty Dumpty Episode.  My teachers who were very loud in telling me not to do this while I was doing it.....were gone....my ability to see her Path....was gone. I was a psychic mess and had to quit my job and move into a VW bus as far from humans as possible (When I was around people with mental or physical problems I would go into convulsions...like a kundalini thing, pretty violent. 

In order to deal with this I had to go "into the Light"..... the upside for them was they became healed...but I was getting thrashed. So we lived as far from humans as possible for a long time.... I finally figured out a technique to hold the psychic impressions at bay..... full well knowing it would manifest some major physical problems in the future for me...which it did.  Make a note, Blocking is not a good practice...But I had no choice, I would have to live in the world of humans and make a living. Anyway it took maybe 40 years for me to re-order my island back to where it was, so I could start the process of cleaning it up again.   

So, do you folks think the Construct is the Double..if not, how would you define the double, what creates it, where does it derive it's energy from...and also if not have you ever heard of the "Construct" I have spoken of ....as being called anything else.     OH, just a little tid bit, I met one of Don Juans students once..... WOW, a very magical dude. I don't know what his real name was, he called himself Pack rat.   That was quite an experience, ......I'll maybe write about that some other time.
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Re: The Double = Construct ???
« Reply #1 on: May 17, 2018, 10:05:48 am »
Jeff, thanks for sharing your experience ....which is quite an experience!  I hope you don't mind, but I broke your post up into separate paragraphs, as my eyes kept  getting lost in the long block of text.

I think you might be very interested in the books written by Mikal Nyght and Della Van Hise.

What you have described re all of these "doubles",  according to them, ARE doubles that are created at different points of our lives, which were not developed, but ignored and left to wander the earth.

According to these authors, the Double is something that you must create. Others say that you are born with it. So I suspect the truth lies in between and it's very similar to having a lump of clay already, but it's up to you to shape it into a masterpiece. Does that make sense? Taisha Abelar's book, The Sorcerer's Crossing goes into this in a lot of detail.

But when you begin the work of "creating" your Double, it does not have to be a mirror image of you -- though it can if that's what you want -- but many choose for it to be an opposite sex image of someone they greatly admire. Then, Nyght's advice is to "fall in love" -- because, "Love is the reason." -- "for within the creative force of love lies The Reason, which is the catalyst of all change and evolution."  But you put all of your heart and soul into the creation of this Double -- all that you want to become and have -- along with what he calls your "Vampyreland" -- the world you want to inhabit.

I worry that my explanation is pretty much terrible, but if you read the book, it should make better sense.

According to Nyght, the purpose for creating this Double, is as a vehicle for Immortality. He explains that the Double lives outside of time and is therefore capable of amassing all of the past-life experience and knowledge you need for, what he calls "transmogrification" -- in which you and your Double become one and you physically ascend with your body while you are alive, or transcension in which you do this after you die and attain the immortal condition.

The Double, once you have created it, and it has developed and become strong and powerful, then goes out and acquires all of this experience and knowledge that you need ....which, since it lives outside of time, can come back to you and influence your life BEFORE you ever created him/her -- in your past -- and arrive in your present as your Teacher, Guide to Immortality ----- Though the work of creating this Double is lifelong -- in other words, just because you created it, and you see it arrive in all of it's power and glory, that doesn't mean you still don't have to put the work into it because what you are seeing IS the result of a lifetime of work -- since it lives outside of time.

Nyght says that your Double knows that if you die, she dies too, so her/his highest goal is to teach you all you need to achieve the Immmortal condition -- which does not have to be something like a "black hand sorcerer", or the old death defier's path of slavery -- though you could do that if that's what you want -- but the Double can take you there, wherever you want to go -- even the highest path to the highest level  ....if "love is the reason"......does this make sense?

So, though those old doubles that you saw were "who you used to be", the Double you create is outside of time and many many steps ahead of you.  Yes, I imagine it might have been a mistake to put back on all those old doubles as you described, though like you said, you have learned a lot from it.  With so much experience it might be very easy for you to create your Double and use it as a vehicle for Immortality as Nyght and Della Van Hise describe ....if that's what you choose to do.

And yes - it's my best guess that "the construct" would be the Double ....but I would have to see the context in which it was used. He could have been referring to the social construct, or the "matrix".
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"To those who would say that love is a dependency, I would say instead that it is the ultimate freedom, for within the creative force of love lies The Reason, which is the catalyst of all change and evolution." Mikal Nyght

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Re: The Double = Construct ???
« Reply #2 on: May 18, 2018, 11:53:17 pm »
Thanks for your quick reply.....

I see a lot to address here,

but I work from Home,

 am 65 years old with a 7 year old....

and have a show on Sunday to get prepared for,

 so don't have a lot of time.

Just working from home with a 7 year old,

 and mine in particular......

is all consuming......

But, I was sort of led here, and we are responsible for what we know, and there are very few places I can share what I know and get even an inkling of understanding......
So I'll work on this in my spare time, he he, good one self..... what is spare time again.



 Anyway, the subject of the Double alone is HUGE,
and I'm afraid there is just enough knowledge out there about it......
to confuse folks.....
and even in some cases put them in danger.
  But to address all these things, I guess you would say requires a bit of a shift of the assemblage point.
  It's been over 30 years since I ....experienced Don Juans books, so I might be short on the lingo, falling back on my old Tibetan Language for pretty much the same stuff.

 I'm planning on getting some reading glasses as I haven't been able to find too many Large print Carlos books....and my eyes need help. so I'll catch up with that.



 I see some very important...... points that need to be considered when discussing this,
 and I see the ...  obstacles that need to be overcome....
the obstacles in many cases caused by the fact that....
well, to put it nicely,
Carlos was a bit of an over mental idiot...
and he gleaned from
and threfore passed on from Don Juan
very much only according to his mental ability.

 This is a common problem, people want to "figure it out" in their minds, study allied works, and compute the data they have inputted....

This stuff doesn't work that way.

 Before we can really get to the "Construct" we'll have to address the difference between the Old sorcery and the new, because this was somewhat of a mis-understanding, or poorly computed data by Carlos.
 The thing is we get the impression that the "old sorcery" was something from an earlier time, back in the Toltec or whatever days when things were different
 before we new sorcerers became more enlightened.

 But that isn't how it is.....

It all exists now, and what determines a persons place in that is simply their point in evolution.

Very few these days understand how human evolution works,

that it is a circular process,

not one of ascension, as in the old staircase analogy.

As the old Mystics said, first the circle turns one way....then returns back upon itself.

 The "old sorcery" or whatever Carlos called it is what those on the first turn of the wheel employ,

 and the "new sorcery" is what those on the reverse turn use.

  And these are very different in Nature...and this is rarely addressed and Carlos and what I hear of some that have followed him, mish mash them all up so that...... it loses some usefulness for both types of sorcerers.

So the first and most important thing for students to learn is where they are on the wheel of evolution, otherwise their practice could be useless.....and or Dangerous.

This is for sure the case with what appears to be some ideas about the Double. 



The old sorcery sought connection to the Double, believed it could aid them somehow..... their Direction you could say was one of cultivating the Double.

It is like any creation,
 a building by piece being added to piece.....
and it's important to know that it is astral in nature and
....damn, there's things I can't say because they will just halt folks in their cogitating tracks......

 The Double is created by all the energy and intention that goes into defining who we are within our description of the world, it is also co created by those who "know" us.

 It's just basically a natural bi product of human evolution on the first turn of the wheel, for the Old Sorcerers.

For them to seek it out, and with it's "timeless" nature as you pointed out, they could possibly speed up their evolution (which bottom line is the goal of all sorcery, old and new) ....

But it's timelessness , hmmm.... well let's just say that our relationship with it dramatically changes when we become the New Sorcerers....
when we come to that point in evolution where our wheel reverses.

 THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT.

 

The Double is created in astral and mental matter...
literally created out of all the energy that goes into defining us,
 which was the task of the old sorcerers.....
And they perfected tweaking it and using it to connect with,
their Future Description (aiding their evolution).
(consider those words)

The New Sorcerers job is to dis mantle that description .

And this entails the dismantling of the Double,
 well, actually that is just the natural bi-product of the Path.

  I'm afraid Carlos was mostly drawn to the glamour of the power of the double and was himself on the first turn of the wheel, so the information he gleaned about the Double and passed along,
 was only in regards to it's relationship with the old sorcery.

  For a New Sorcerer to seek the double....is a disaster.

 I mean we (new sorcerers) are here to dismantle the island,

to release the description....

and yet this is exactly what the Double represents.

 It is energetically magnetized to "our collection",

 to our description.

For the old sorcerers, because of it's "timelessness"

(which isn't the best word because it's existence depends solely upon what we and others submit to it in the process of our evolution, and it has an end point)...

it can only help us ..... culminate in our description.....

which is the goal of the old sorcerers....
which is the end point of the first turn of the wheel....
the epitome of what the old sorcery was meant to obtain.

 But once we have done that,

once the wheel begins turning back upon itself,
 we become the new sorcerers and our job now is basically the opposite of what it was before,

 now we dismantle the description....
and the Double fades.



I think a lot of folks might mix up the Soul with the Double, because they are very similar.



Like you say the Double isn't an exact image, I mean it's an astral/mental reflection of us..... form in fact isn't really a matter of consideration.... We humans tend to get boggled up in the whole Form thing and lose sight of what motivates the form.
Well this is about all, I realize I just touched lightly on a few things and any questions are appreciated and will always be answered as best I can.
I appreciate this ....forum.
It's difficult when you have a knowledge, that is your ....job to share....
but no one to share it with because it's not part of the most common human paradigm. And to even speak of it makes you look deluded or just plain crazy.
What I think Nyght is seeing and calling "transmogrification" is actually the point where the wheel turns back upon itself...I call it Culmination in Form.
Everything you quoted Nyght as saying, has a level of validity...
how do I put this?
It has grown beyond it's simple Truth.
It has been overly embellished by mentality and is more like a parable then a clear statement of how it is.
Do not take any of those words or teachings at face value...
their merit and power lies in your ability to
translate the parables.
Gotta go

 

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Re: The Double = Construct ???
« Reply #3 on: May 20, 2018, 02:48:15 pm »
Jeff, I get that the "ancient sorcerers" are alive and well on planet earth. Most definitely. But the rest ....I'm not so sure about. That's okay ...I'm glad you are here and sharing your knowledge ....and yes --there seems to be nowhere else to discuss this topic. 

One thing I've noticed in my life, is that whenever there is a conflict, there is always truth and false on both sides -- AND a unifying solution which takes the truth from both, and discards the false -- satisfying both with no compromise.  I believe that is true of this idea as well.

If I am not mistaken, you are coming from the idea that since we got our "I self" from the Archons, then the only way to be free of them, is to go back to the way we were before -- meaning we must kill the "ego", our desires ....and our Double. It is the idea that in order to attain freedom, we must kill the thing we love most.

I'm not so sure that's true.  I think there's a way we can have our cake and eat it too.

Or maybe I have misunderstood you?



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Re: The Double = Construct ???
« Reply #4 on: May 20, 2018, 10:00:22 pm »
"If I am not mistaken, you are coming from the idea that since we got our "I self" from the Archons, then the only way to be free of them, is to go back to the way we were before -- meaning we must kill the "ego", our desires ....and our Double. It is the idea that in order to attain freedom, we must kill the thing we love most. I'm not so sure that's true."

I have no idea what the Archons are....but you are entirely correct about the idea of the killing the ego being not true. This belief, very dominant in the "spiritual" folks these days is entirely based in a complete lack of understanding of the evolutionary process and the Truth about the Ego.
I'm going to tell you something that very few folks can deal with.....
Not because it is untrue, but rather because for thousands of years Mankind has been programed to believe the whole ascension.....staircase scenario about evolution.... As I stated before , like most things in creation it is Circular. This has been known by the Mystics...forever, but the Mystics have always been.....sidelined, tortured, killed etc. by the religions that sought to convince people that Duality was the ultimate Truth and that our job was to transcend Desire and ego (even while these belief systems were totally steeped in them.
But here is the most feared truth:
The Ego, and the Soul....... are ONE THING.
The very same thing.
BUT
What has been named the "Ego" is simply the soul on the first turn of the evolutionary wheel.
It's part of the Plan,
without it there would be no evolution, no movement forward, no turning of the Wheel of Life.
You have to consider what the purpose of the ego is....and what the purpose of the soul is....
and guess what, it's the same thing.  The only difference is in the first part of our evolution it works via duality, via seeking pleasure and avoiding and stuffing pain.
(this is what the recapitulation  is designed to resolve.....but not until the first turn of the wheel is complete.
You see, the Purpose of every souls existence is to find it's unique separate expression, Once this has been done....the purpose changes, or you could say, "our Direction Changes"...this is how Don Juan would put it.  Then, and not before the recap... becomes one tool to aid in the journey. You see we are meant to create that unique separate expression (note those three words...UNIQUE, SEPARATE, EXPRESSION.   This is done via duality in the quest to avoid pain and seek pleasure.....this is how we define ourselves with the unique description that is uniquely ours. It's the freakin rule, it's the path....it's the "EGO"/soul that guides us, but the spiritual folks and Jive religions like to say that anything related to desire/seeking pleasure .... is wrong.  How can it be wrong when it's the freakin plan, and not one soul ever escapes this?
Jesus, Buddha, Mohammed etc.....were all first driven by duality to become something SEPARATE and unique.    But a point comes.... when we're done with that.  That point is sort of pre-determined by the Whole of what is, but the path there and the expression is Unique.
So every single one of us...and the old sorcery was adept at speeding up the process , is in the first half of our evolution driven by the soul which has been renamed by dualists....as ego.  Once that unique separate expression has culminated...... this is the point where the wheel of evolution turns back upon itself.
The direction now, is back towards UNITY.
We Did the SEPARATE UNIQUE thing to the max, now the souls drive is back towards UNITY.
The wheel turns back upon itself, and the path we walk now, is the very same path we walked up....only we're coming from the opposite direction....and duality is now becoming a thing of the past.  All the dualistic judgments that we made to complete our Definition of ourselves and the world...are recapitulated ...... we don't even have to try, it's gonna happen because all the dualistic judgments are hitting us in the face on the path back, only now, instead of building them with duality...with Fears and desires....we are seeing them as what they are.....beyond the dualistic judgments we placed upon them.  This is basically the definition of recapitulation. Facing that which we defined with duality....and removing the duality from it so it can be freed to simply be what it is.....freeing us as we do so.
Our description was made in Duality.
Our description is what drains our power.
Our description has no real reality except that in it's culmination it filed a void in the Totality of Creation.
But the new sorcerers job, is to escape the description....
this isn't done by Killing the ego or anything that some confused folks will tell you,
it's a matter of removing the duality from the description......
The task of the new seers is to become free of the description....and the reality is, once the soul has culminated in form, and the wheel reverses.....you don't have to be a freakin sorcerer to accomplish this....It's gonna happen no matter what.
The real talent of the old and new sorcerers is simply speeding up evolution.
Everything that both do has this aim, it's just that since the direction of each is different.... and the methods are sort of opposite, (one is where we collect things....the other we discard the collection and as Don Juan say's, Clean our Island up.
We spend thousands of years decorating our island until it's finally perfect.....
Then there is a stage of total boredom because we don't get any more satisfaction collecting things...but don't know anything else.... I call these folks <"the fence sitters" and my teachers told me part of my responsibility was nudging them off the fence.
There are a lot of folks sitting on that fence right now.
Done collecting things to define themselves....but not knowing the alternative, which of course is de cluttering TOTALLY eventually, their Island. And it isn't done by throwing the things off the island....it's done by no longer defining them with the duality that defined them when they were collected.....
You get it?

Tip of the iceberg here, but to understand all this requires a pretty major assemblage point shift. And accomplishing that through the vehicle of words.......can be a long drawn out affair.
.....and let me be clear here....we can't ever really understand anything by reading books, or listening to someone that does....we can only understand by EXPERIENCING the Truth of a thing. This isn't accomplished in the mind. I haven't read many books on all this stuff except to find a language to share it with others.... I put no creed in amassed knowledge...Because all of that is just basically ideas about the truth....which are one of the biggest impediments to experiencing the Truth of anything.
When I speak of these things, I am speaking from experience......from "Seeing", not from any ideas someone else put forth in a book....or in words to me. If it's not from my experience or "seeing", I'm not gonna talk about it...it's just opinion, just ideas......really pretty useless.
Don Juan taught Contemplation.  Straight up.
Not the "contemplation" of the occidents, which has become defined as milling something around in the mind....quite the opposite, in contemplation you remove the mind from the situation and use Intent to focus.....mindlessly and beyond any dualistic thoughts..... on what needs to be known....and this happens with the process because we become "identified" with that which we contemplate....we become it. This is the only True Knowing...... It can be very scary, sure scared the poop out of Carlos countless times....because once we remove the definition from that which we perceive....it becomes something quite different......
The new sorcerers path is relating to the world AS IT IS.....not as we have come to THINK it is. Those are two quite different things.
Gotta go, long day, did a show....made some money, dealt with hundreds of humans....need home family time before the fam hits the hay.
Thanks again for responding.....
Good communication





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« Reply #5 on: May 24, 2018, 06:13:21 am »
"But here is the most feared truth:
The Ego, and the Soul....... are ONE THING.
The very same thing.
BUT
What has been named the "Ego" is simply the soul on the first turn of the evolutionary wheel.
It's part of the Plan,
without it there would be no evolution, no movement forward, no turning of the Wheel of Life.
You have to consider what the purpose of the ego is....and what the purpose of the soul is....
and guess what, it's the same thing.  The only difference is in the first part of our evolution it works via duality, via seeking pleasure and avoiding and stuffing pain.
(this is what the recapitulation  is designed to resolve.....but not until the first turn of the wheel is complete."

YES! So few people understand this. The ego and the soul are the same thing. Gurdjieff also spoke of this. He spoke of how our sense of "I" can be evolved into the soul. This is why he said that people don't really have a soul when they are born, they have to develop that soul. I mean yes, if you have an ego then you have a soul, but if you don't realize non-dual truth, then you only ever know the ego as ego.

This means though, that the construct i.e. the Double is also a projection of the ego, or soul. Because the construct exists because of our identification, and identifications are also the bricks that form the ego. Construct and ego are two parts of the same thing. Doesn't this then mean that the construct i.e. Double also evolve on the second turn of the wheel? Yes on this second turn we can now see the construct as what it is, we can also see the actual Primal Beingness, but the construct is still there, its just we don't see it dualistically anymore, right? The construct is still there we just don't think it is all there is to reality anymore, and yet, it is a part of reality, as everything that has ever existed is. Just like the images on my computer monitor are part of the monitor. 

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« Reply #6 on: May 24, 2018, 06:53:03 am »
Awesome... Yep, "Bricks that form the ego"..exactly.   But on the return path we aren't putting any more bricks into that wall, once we remove the duality that built it....it slowly fades. Or the way I "saw" it it's like it sheds a skin that doesn't grow back...there's nothing to replace the shed since we aren't building it any more....we're freeing ourselves from the "description" and the Double is a creation of the Description...so it ceases to exist.

I mean WOW! Think of this.....The Law behind the Creation of the ego is the one ...well, the universal Law of Creation, states that that which we feed mental and emotional...and Love energy to, will eventually manifest into some form....... but that same Law of Magic states that at some point the creation can break free of the Creator and have a life of it's own.... So the Double, by the time a soul has "culminated" on the first turn of the wheel...or we could say the ego has completed it's turn.....the Double  is this powerful energetic expression that resonates at our frequency....magnetizing it to us... This is why it's always fairly close in our periphery. ( a little behind and to the right for me.  ) 

So...now here comes a freaky thought.   What is the Devil but a creation of ego that attempts to bind us to the first turn of the wheel.  So "the devil"....(which is the flip side of "the Christ" aspect) is actually that which guides mankind on the first turn of the wheel, using duality to "build our form".... and this is what is meant to be, this is all part of how we evolve....and it isn't a problem..... BUT, we each have this personal devil.... our Construct, once it gets a life of it's own, that once we culminate is actually the accumulation of all the "demons" we must face in clearing our island....and now it doesn't want to go willingly.....it keeps imposing the old energetic body on us.

Trippy, hadn't contemplated it like that before.

So, we create the Double in Duality....it gains finally a separate existence that is like an energetic reflection of us at the point of culmination....and it vibrates, resonates at that frequency.....which resonates with all it's pieces within us...... solidifying even more that which we have collected to decorate our island, ....and you could say that on one level this adds to the Gravity of the items on the island, making it more difficult to lift them and heave them into the ocean. This is why the Double is a problem for the New Sorcerers.  It assists the old, yet attempts to Bind the New.    We are no longer feeding into it, it still has an existence, but nothing to feed it any more so begins to lose it's "skin", sloughing off.   Eventually once we clear our island and jump off into eternity...it disappears.
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Re: The Double = Construct ???
« Reply #7 on: May 24, 2018, 09:29:16 am »
hhhmmm... much of what you say I agree with, but I still don't see the Double as quite the same thing as you....

You are right in part that the Double is at least partly the construct, but the Double could also literally be another physical person; this is do to a feature of the interrelationship of identity on the astral plane. In essence the Double is the astral body or the soul, and yet in a sense it isn't the soul until the second turn of the wheel. Before that it is just the ego, and its construct; which are really one thing.

Even your definition shows this, if you really go back and think about it.

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Re: The Double = Construct ???
« Reply #8 on: May 24, 2018, 10:27:10 am »
I agree with most of what you say except that it can be "partly the construct"...what does that mean.?...and I see no possible way the construct could be "another physical person"...Makes zero sense to me.

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Re: The Double = Construct ???
« Reply #9 on: May 24, 2018, 10:46:41 am »
The Double or Construct is not the ego or soul, see I mentioned this in the earliest post as a common mistake.
 Think of it like this,
 We have the soul or ego shining a light on us in our physical bodies and consciousness..... the shadow that is cast would be the Double. The Double is literally a "Double"....a "Construct" , our manifestation in relation to our soul or ego.
 How can one person's soul as you call the Double, be another person...
we are each totally unique,
 it's virtually impossible for there to be a crossover like that,
 it's against Law.
we are a reflection/manifestation so to speak of our soul or ego, the Double is a reflection/manifestation of our consciousness, as it interprets and interplays with our soul or ego.

What do you mean by interrelationship of identity on the astral plane.?

The Soul or ego puts forth the energy that defines us....our response to that puts forth the energy that defines the Double. We are the intermediary between soul and construct.  The Double has no reality beyond being our creation, or you could say a creation of our Description, just as we are defined by our soul, the double is defined by our consciousness as it interprets our souls influence.
 

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Re: The Double = Construct ???
« Reply #10 on: May 24, 2018, 11:17:58 am »
My experience is that my Other -- I prefer Other since he is not a copy of me -- is most definitely not my shadow, Satan or a pack of demons ...haha ...My Other is my Teacher.

It was my Other, who told me no, when I desired to seek revenge against a psychopathic relative intent upon stealing my inheritance.

It was my Other who told me that I needed "dream training" ....and to "moderate your time on the internet" -- because it is an addiction stealing my energy.

It was my Other who lead me to John Kreiter's books and told me to read every one and do all of the exercises for gaining energy, psychic self defense, astral projection and more.

My Other is also the one who rescued me about 10 years ago, when I was being tortured and devoured energetically by "Archons" ....I would have died if it had kept going.

This Being contains my highest truths, aspirations, dreams .....power.  I wonder if this is the Being that is referred to in the Bible as the Holy Spirit ....I've never been able to figure out what the Holy Spirit is supposed to be, but It was referred to by Jesus as "the comforter" and a Teacher. I'd love to hear what anyone else might have to say about that. Everything has been so encrypted it's hard to figure out ...at least for me it has been.

But re the idea that we should just drop everything and go into the "light" ....that doesn't appeal to me at all. To me it's self-destruction. I don't really see anything wrong with spending an eternity creating my own world with my Other, in some other realm -- or exploring the Universe.

In the beginning we had no I-self. Then the Archons, sensing our desire to have it, gave it to us. I think this was a step forward in our evolution ...that we are not meant to run back into oblivion, but find a way to have our cake and eat it too. There is nothing about the "Light" that inspires my passion ...my desire, and I have no desire to kill my passion and desire. For me it's the reason ...."Love is the Reason" ....just my opinion!!!

I'm going to post a pretty long excerpt from one of John Kreiter's books, here in a bit, that explains much better than I can how I feel about this ....thing which I have always known, but didn't know how to word it.  But I will post it under the category, "General Discussions".
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"To those who would say that love is a dependency, I would say instead that it is the ultimate freedom, for within the creative force of love lies The Reason, which is the catalyst of all change and evolution." Mikal Nyght

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Re: The Double = Construct ???
« Reply #11 on: May 24, 2018, 12:19:49 pm »
Wow, Thank you, Thank you.....   Much has come from this discussion that was not expected.

So, you are of the old school, building your description....therefore the Light would have zero appeal to you, you are still ordering your island. And as you mentioned before ,the other is Timeless (at least in respect to where it will end up when you culminate in Form and the wheel turns. So you being of the old school, and me the new.. we will not see this the same.
But we are both correct in our views.
In 1971 I had a vision, interrupted by dogs biting my hand...the vision continued 40 years later to complete itself. This vision has explained everything I've ever needed to know....but of course it was totally in archetypes, so requires for translation the application of mind..... I've always been able to apply this vision to any question on the subject of the soul, God, evolution etc. to get an answer. But rarely sought to question myself.   I began this life on the 5th Ray.... very cool and my first wife was the Questioner..... And it was weird because the questions were not coming from her, but through her. So holy crap, evolution flew for me ..... But questions remain to be asked, and this post is basically asking a question.....about the double.
I have a lot of work to do today so tried to avoid it, but...he he, not happening.  When my soul receives a question it is compelled to get the answer.
So I looked to my Vision....
In my Vision, which was basically the Creation of Creation and it's evolution and the souls within that and  how they evolved.
Basically there was Darkness, and in that darkness appeared one thing....my first translation of that thing right after the vision was, "A lost thought searching for a place to become"... it shuddered then out from it, on this golden cord was created another, almost identical to it. There may have been more than one, but the vision was so cosmic.....it was a lot to take in. Well this creation of the original was almost identical to it, even in it's intent to "become" and it shuddered and projected another much like itself..... All these creations of the original creation doing the same thing, creating near replicas of themselves, all connected by this golden thread...which became this Huge web of creation.   Each individual creation inhabited a specific position in the web, but was kind of Hollow...and the free will of each creation was meant to fill that hollow, yet defined within a periphery that was pre-determined. So you could say that the limit was defined but not the Quality....That was each one's job to define.
Now this is just a little piece of the vision.... but basically this expansion of "lost thoughts" grew outwards and basically defined the Universe..... Then I was being bit by a German Shepherd puppy and brought out of it. 40 years later I was driving in the early hours of the AM, delivering rural newspaper and made the Mistake of asking, what am I supposed to be doing here.  The answer was, "Write"..... my reply was, Write what?..... Then I flashed into the rest of the vision.  Very interesting stuff.
So Creation expanded outward, but guess what, just like all the pieces that built it....it had an end point......Once the whole of the Web filled up to that point......the pieces didn't stop projecting replicas of themselves, but rather than the free for all into empty space, they were trapped in the periphery of the whole (similar to the periphery of each individual piece) and expanded within that. (this explains the Quickening, the enhanced evolution taking place now. (as well as the enhanced grasping to maintain the status quo, by the youngest of the young souls that have yet to culminate.)  Well now each of the individual pieces....the ones that had been there the longest, filled up their shells so to speak, then reached this point of .....Culmination...They completed the first turn of the wheel. Now the other ones around it, being about the same age...were doing the same thing, culminating in form...but once this was completed    that form which was dark, began to dissipate and fill up with Light, fed by the golden cord, until the separate forms in the same vicinity actually Merged, and at the Center of Creation this Huge Sun began to grow.
WOW!!!   OH, not yet...let's finish the previous point. Once the whole of Creation was filled a compression began as the ones on the outer edge kept creating more ....
wait for it.....
CONSTRUCTS/Doubles....
He he, holy crap.   Then this pressure enhanced the speed of which those in the center next to the sun....merged with it. (we are in this time NOW. The Mayan Calendar was correct. The end of their calendar was when Creation ,hit the Wall".
Now this I have never contemplated before and it's kind of blowing my mind, but fits some with what you said... It is quite possible, and very probable that our Constructs.....at the point of culmination....when we turn away from them, since the Law allowed them to take on a life of their own, are actually the seeds of the next Soul to be projected by us, into the Web. This also Jives with the Macrocosmic view, where once the whole of creation hits the wall, and begins compressing....In the Vision first towards the center all the separate pieces merging into the Light...but then finally the totality of it all merging into One Thing....Then suddenly you have Nothing but empty space, blackness....and then appears this one "lost thought searching to become" and the whole process begins again.  So from this I see that our Double, once we culminate, continues into a new separate creation, broken off from where we left off, just as the whole of Creation, once culminated, begins as a new Creation.   Carrying a small piece of us.
The Double, once we culminate......is the soul of our Projection (or projections) into the Web... WOW!   Once it gains separation from our Ego....the Life it has, is the beginning of the new soul that we project into the Web. With it's space to fill through free will but defined within a certain periphery.     WOW WOW WOW..... Thanks for having the forum and bringing unanswered questions.

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Re: The Double = Construct ???
« Reply #12 on: May 31, 2018, 09:42:41 am »
CONSTRUCTS/Doubles....
He he, holy crap.   Then this pressure enhanced the speed of which those in the center next to the sun....merged with it. (we are in this time NOW. The Mayan Calendar was correct. The end of their calendar was when Creation ,hit the Wall".
Now this I have never contemplated before and it's kind of blowing my mind, but fits some with what you said... It is quite possible, and very probable that our Constructs.....at the point of culmination....when we turn away from them, since the Law allowed them to take on a life of their own, are actually the seeds of the next Soul to be projected by us, into the Web. This also Jives with the Macrocosmic view, where once the whole of creation hits the wall, and begins compressing....In the Vision first towards the center all the separate pieces merging into the Light...but then finally the totality of it all merging into One Thing....Then suddenly you have Nothing but empty space, blackness....and then appears this one "lost thought searching to become" and the whole process begins again.  So from this I see that our Double, once we culminate, continues into a new separate creation, broken off from where we left off, just as the whole of Creation, once culminated, begins as a new Creation.   Carrying a small piece of us.
The Double, once we culminate......is the soul of our Projection (or projections) into the Web... WOW!   Once it gains separation from our Ego....the Life it has, is the beginning of the new soul that we project into the Web. With it's space to fill through free will but defined within a certain periphery.     WOW WOW WOW..... Thanks for having the forum and bringing unanswered questions.

Yes! This is in line with what I'm saying. And thank you for adding to what I was saying I have to ponder your words...fascinating. Mind you I could be wrong, but this is what my experience confirms for me.

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Re: The Double = Construct ???
« Reply #13 on: June 01, 2018, 08:21:58 pm »
Now Consider this:
OK, we understand the Law of Creation:
 Sustained thought, emotion Intention and sometimes Love eventually manifest something.....
If done with intention long enough that which manifests will attain a “life of it's own”...it's own volition.
So we understand this is where our Double comes from.

Now consider Ideologies, Religions etc.
You know these have a lot more energy going into their Creation than our puny Doubles.
 This is why it becomes difficult for folks to extricate themselves from whatever ideology they landed in....Just as they resonate with their Doubles, so do they resonate with the “Double” of their ideologies.
and once again the creation has a certain frequency that it vibrates at,
a certain magnetism specific to itself.....
So, just as folks are bound to their Double,
so are they bound to ideologies that they were thrust into or embrace.

Now consider Disease.
Consider the “germs”  that manifest certain symptoms that we call specific diseases.
There is a reason why vaccines will never work...and it has to do with “germs”.
Scientists are all about germs causing diseases so they attack specific germs....
The major flaw in this is that they don't ever ask the most important question....
“Where do the Germs come from”.
And the answer to this will Never be “cured” by vaccines.

Well the Mystics have long known the Law of Creation/Manifestation....
Energy of will/thought/emotion which is harmonious to the whole will manifest something that will be beneficial...
But Ideologies, religions, etc. literally manifest things....
it's the Law,
and what do they Manifest.
Well, if they are not harmonious with the Whole.....
eventually, they manifest “germs” of disharmony....
They manifest what is at the heart of mankind's Disease.
To put it more plainly,
any sustained creative energy that is not harmonious will eventually manifest on the physical plane....
Disease is one of these manifestations.
And consider what you already know...
Well first let me state that all creations seek Balance and harmony,
I'm 4th Ray....Harmony through Conflict....
Just as these”germs” I would say have very 4th ray tendencies in that,
through Conflict (the symptoms of the disease), they seek to balance the organism...
It's just the way it is.
We create the disease with our crazy ass belief systems.....
We create the “germ” of the disease,
which by Law, seeks to balance the organism.
It's like the New Sorcerers are Cleaning their Islands,
so Germs are cleaning the Island of the Masses.
All communicable diseases are Mass Creations that will effect the masses.
Mass Karma is manifested in disease.
Individual Karma can bring on problems and also define the type of manifestation of mass karma in the individual/
We get a disease in the throat...... the disease  can have it's roots in mass creation, but the location in the throat is personal karma.....crap we've pretended doesn't exist within us..... that ferments in the dark....creates the weakened areas where “disease” will occur.
Everything that we collect upon our islands....that we don't want....that we don't “like”....and so stuff in dark corners of the island (by esoterically and physically withholding our Breath/prana) from it)..... will eventually weaken the vehicle and either personal or group disease will manifest in that location.  Everything we “stuff” exists at a specific place in our multiple bodies. Etherically/astrally and physically, the Judgment of “Bad”  creates a blockage of energy...and “Good”....can create an excess of energy. Hence the “dispassion” of the Mystics. Because too little or too much energy/prana to the vehicle, will cause eventually a manifestation we call disease.
Group disease has at it's heart Religions and ideologies that seek to define things mentally and emotionally ….in ways that are not congruent with actual Truth....that are out of Harmony with the whole.   So at the Heart of “Group” diseases.
Epidemics happen because of  mass resonance with these Constructs of Ideologies that are simply not based in Truth.

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