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Jeff4freedom:
So I spent my last lifetime in a Monastery in Tibet, there I learned a technique of going through the Death process...without actually dying.....then earlier in this life hooked up with my Teachers and began the practice again.  I am a poor student and Cheat a lot, but in doing so I also learned a lot.  One thing I learned a lot about was the...as I call it, the Construct.... I believe this is what Don Juan called the double...as I have found nothing else written anywhere which relates to it. 

The "construct" is something almost all of us have, ....consider all the energy of thought and emotion that goes into defining "who we are"...over many lifetimes this is a lot of energy.  This "definition, this astral energetic definition ...according to Law must eventually manifest in some form..... this Creation is like a mirror image of WHO WE WERE......, as who we are in this very moment is advanced some beyond it because it hasn't caught up yet. So we all have these if we've been around a while.   

You hear folks talking about NDE's and coming upon the spirits of their dearly departed.... these are most of the time not that at all, but rather those folks's energetic reflections ...Constructs....Doubles?   During the death experience our Constructs (and I suppose during normal waking consciousness....they .... exist a little bit behind us....Mine is behind and to the right....Generally speaking when we "die" our momentum and focus is entirely in a forward....frontwise direction.

Now a rule I was given when going through the death process is to never be distracted by the Heaven and Hell Realms or the Constructs floating around and drawn to us by  the unique energetic expression of our desire nature.... Go straight ahead focused on the Light on the other side of what seems like a universe full of planets and constructs (the planets actually Heaven and Hell Realms. I was told to never pull into these. (which happens simply by focusing on them momentarily.. I cheated and learned the reason why.....these realms have what I call a momentum (time in our dimension) which suck you in and pull you along...and you forget who you were and it's like a whole new life that you believe to be all that is real..and time is different there, you can experience a lifetime there....in the blink of an eye "here"..My Teachers saved me.   But I'm here to talk, or question about the Construct...which is possibly the Double. 

Here's an interesting factoid....You know those things we call Ghosts......what these are is souls that turned back and gazed upon their Constructs....they pull you in to what you "were"...and you can become trapped there. Becoming a "Ghost". So I don't recall what Don Juan said about doubles, and what would happen if you were to see yours, gaze upon it.....because if the construct is the double, and you do this..... Not Good. My experience with my "Double" was not a good one. 

OH, yeah, another thing about them is that floating in their periphery, like a snake skin that has shedded off, is pieces that have no longer been fed the energy to maintain them cohesive within the doubles form....parts of ourselves that once were major in our definition and others definition of who we were....but no longer are part of that. So they are sort of still in orbit around the double, but fading. 

Well, my experience....... the worst choice I ever made, in fact one most mystics will tell you is impossible, went like this.  I was sitting in my girlfriends parents apartment, I had totally released my definition of the world and was gazing upon a fly flying....I was seeing it's entire existence, then my girlfriend walked in the door. As I looked at her I saw her past and FUTURES....as the future is determined by choices and I saw all the choices she would have to make, and the outcomes of these.... Then I saw her consciousness coming toward mine and meeting in the middle of the room, at that point she Freaked out and went into hysterics....when she calmed down she begged me to go back to "who I used to be"... Damn I loved her a lot, she later became my first wife....and because of my training in Dying and that process, and my knowledge of the Double..... I had the knowledge (I thought) of how to go back to who I was.  I was seeing all the choices she would come up against, and the ones that would allow her the speediest evolution, so I told her that I would go back to who I was....if she would "come to the Light with me".... I mean it would be simple because I saw all  the right moves, he heh.  She said, Yeah, she would.  So I went into the death process with the idea that if I looked back at my Double (that old definition that I was that was imprinted out there on the astral plane  in astral/etheric matter....I could pull it back into myself. So when I looked back I saw the shedded skin and thought, OK, that's who I was that I recently transcended...and that was floating off.  I gazed upon these old pieces of myself and they instantly became part of me. Then I came out of it, a totally different person.

First off I was totally psychic, I felt everybodies thoughts, feelings and infirmities for maybe a whole city block...and it turns out that our process of evolution, that process of defining ourselves happens in a very specific order. We add this, then this then this in ORDER. Well I pulled it all back totally out of order. I call this my Humpty Dumpty Episode.  My teachers who were very loud in telling me not to do this while I was doing it.....were gone....my ability to see her Path....was gone. I was a psychic mess and had to quit my job and move into a VW bus as far from humans as possible (When I was around people with mental or physical problems I would go into convulsions...like a kundalini thing, pretty violent. 

In order to deal with this I had to go "into the Light"..... the upside for them was they became healed...but I was getting thrashed. So we lived as far from humans as possible for a long time.... I finally figured out a technique to hold the psychic impressions at bay..... full well knowing it would manifest some major physical problems in the future for me...which it did.  Make a note, Blocking is not a good practice...But I had no choice, I would have to live in the world of humans and make a living. Anyway it took maybe 40 years for me to re-order my island back to where it was, so I could start the process of cleaning it up again.   

So, do you folks think the Construct is the Double..if not, how would you define the double, what creates it, where does it derive it's energy from...and also if not have you ever heard of the "Construct" I have spoken of ....as being called anything else.     OH, just a little tid bit, I met one of Don Juans students once..... WOW, a very magical dude. I don't know what his real name was, he called himself Pack rat.   That was quite an experience, ......I'll maybe write about that some other time.

Sea Daughter:
Jeff, thanks for sharing your experience ....which is quite an experience!  I hope you don't mind, but I broke your post up into separate paragraphs, as my eyes kept  getting lost in the long block of text.

I think you might be very interested in the books written by Mikal Nyght and Della Van Hise.

What you have described re all of these "doubles",  according to them, ARE doubles that are created at different points of our lives, which were not developed, but ignored and left to wander the earth.

According to these authors, the Double is something that you must create. Others say that you are born with it. So I suspect the truth lies in between and it's very similar to having a lump of clay already, but it's up to you to shape it into a masterpiece. Does that make sense? Taisha Abelar's book, The Sorcerer's Crossing goes into this in a lot of detail.

But when you begin the work of "creating" your Double, it does not have to be a mirror image of you -- though it can if that's what you want -- but many choose for it to be an opposite sex image of someone they greatly admire. Then, Nyght's advice is to "fall in love" -- because, "Love is the reason." -- "for within the creative force of love lies The Reason, which is the catalyst of all change and evolution."  But you put all of your heart and soul into the creation of this Double -- all that you want to become and have -- along with what he calls your "Vampyreland" -- the world you want to inhabit.

I worry that my explanation is pretty much terrible, but if you read the book, it should make better sense.

According to Nyght, the purpose for creating this Double, is as a vehicle for Immortality. He explains that the Double lives outside of time and is therefore capable of amassing all of the past-life experience and knowledge you need for, what he calls "transmogrification" -- in which you and your Double become one and you physically ascend with your body while you are alive, or transcension in which you do this after you die and attain the immortal condition.

The Double, once you have created it, and it has developed and become strong and powerful, then goes out and acquires all of this experience and knowledge that you need ....which, since it lives outside of time, can come back to you and influence your life BEFORE you ever created him/her -- in your past -- and arrive in your present as your Teacher, Guide to Immortality ----- Though the work of creating this Double is lifelong -- in other words, just because you created it, and you see it arrive in all of it's power and glory, that doesn't mean you still don't have to put the work into it because what you are seeing IS the result of a lifetime of work -- since it lives outside of time.

Nyght says that your Double knows that if you die, she dies too, so her/his highest goal is to teach you all you need to achieve the Immmortal condition -- which does not have to be something like a "black hand sorcerer", or the old death defier's path of slavery -- though you could do that if that's what you want -- but the Double can take you there, wherever you want to go -- even the highest path to the highest level  ....if "love is the reason"......does this make sense?

So, though those old doubles that you saw were "who you used to be", the Double you create is outside of time and many many steps ahead of you.  Yes, I imagine it might have been a mistake to put back on all those old doubles as you described, though like you said, you have learned a lot from it.  With so much experience it might be very easy for you to create your Double and use it as a vehicle for Immortality as Nyght and Della Van Hise describe ....if that's what you choose to do.

And yes - it's my best guess that "the construct" would be the Double ....but I would have to see the context in which it was used. He could have been referring to the social construct, or the "matrix".

Jeff4freedom:
Thanks for your quick reply.....

I see a lot to address here,

but I work from Home,

 am 65 years old with a 7 year old....

and have a show on Sunday to get prepared for,

 so don't have a lot of time.

Just working from home with a 7 year old,

 and mine in particular......

is all consuming......

But, I was sort of led here, and we are responsible for what we know, and there are very few places I can share what I know and get even an inkling of understanding......
So I'll work on this in my spare time, he he, good one self..... what is spare time again.



 Anyway, the subject of the Double alone is HUGE,
and I'm afraid there is just enough knowledge out there about it......
to confuse folks.....
and even in some cases put them in danger.
  But to address all these things, I guess you would say requires a bit of a shift of the assemblage point.
  It's been over 30 years since I ....experienced Don Juans books, so I might be short on the lingo, falling back on my old Tibetan Language for pretty much the same stuff.

 I'm planning on getting some reading glasses as I haven't been able to find too many Large print Carlos books....and my eyes need help. so I'll catch up with that.



 I see some very important...... points that need to be considered when discussing this,
 and I see the ...  obstacles that need to be overcome....
the obstacles in many cases caused by the fact that....
well, to put it nicely,
Carlos was a bit of an over mental idiot...
and he gleaned from
and threfore passed on from Don Juan
very much only according to his mental ability.

 This is a common problem, people want to "figure it out" in their minds, study allied works, and compute the data they have inputted....

This stuff doesn't work that way.

 Before we can really get to the "Construct" we'll have to address the difference between the Old sorcery and the new, because this was somewhat of a mis-understanding, or poorly computed data by Carlos.
 The thing is we get the impression that the "old sorcery" was something from an earlier time, back in the Toltec or whatever days when things were different
 before we new sorcerers became more enlightened.

 But that isn't how it is.....

It all exists now, and what determines a persons place in that is simply their point in evolution.

Very few these days understand how human evolution works,

that it is a circular process,

not one of ascension, as in the old staircase analogy.

As the old Mystics said, first the circle turns one way....then returns back upon itself.

 The "old sorcery" or whatever Carlos called it is what those on the first turn of the wheel employ,

 and the "new sorcery" is what those on the reverse turn use.

  And these are very different in Nature...and this is rarely addressed and Carlos and what I hear of some that have followed him, mish mash them all up so that...... it loses some usefulness for both types of sorcerers.

So the first and most important thing for students to learn is where they are on the wheel of evolution, otherwise their practice could be useless.....and or Dangerous.

This is for sure the case with what appears to be some ideas about the Double. 



The old sorcery sought connection to the Double, believed it could aid them somehow..... their Direction you could say was one of cultivating the Double.

It is like any creation,
 a building by piece being added to piece.....
and it's important to know that it is astral in nature and
....damn, there's things I can't say because they will just halt folks in their cogitating tracks......

 The Double is created by all the energy and intention that goes into defining who we are within our description of the world, it is also co created by those who "know" us.

 It's just basically a natural bi product of human evolution on the first turn of the wheel, for the Old Sorcerers.

For them to seek it out, and with it's "timeless" nature as you pointed out, they could possibly speed up their evolution (which bottom line is the goal of all sorcery, old and new) ....

But it's timelessness , hmmm.... well let's just say that our relationship with it dramatically changes when we become the New Sorcerers....
when we come to that point in evolution where our wheel reverses.

 THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT.

 

The Double is created in astral and mental matter...
literally created out of all the energy that goes into defining us,
 which was the task of the old sorcerers.....
And they perfected tweaking it and using it to connect with,
their Future Description (aiding their evolution).
(consider those words)

The New Sorcerers job is to dis mantle that description .

And this entails the dismantling of the Double,
 well, actually that is just the natural bi-product of the Path.

  I'm afraid Carlos was mostly drawn to the glamour of the power of the double and was himself on the first turn of the wheel, so the information he gleaned about the Double and passed along,
 was only in regards to it's relationship with the old sorcery.

  For a New Sorcerer to seek the double....is a disaster.

 I mean we (new sorcerers) are here to dismantle the island,

to release the description....

and yet this is exactly what the Double represents.

 It is energetically magnetized to "our collection",

 to our description.

For the old sorcerers, because of it's "timelessness"

(which isn't the best word because it's existence depends solely upon what we and others submit to it in the process of our evolution, and it has an end point)...

it can only help us ..... culminate in our description.....

which is the goal of the old sorcerers....
which is the end point of the first turn of the wheel....
the epitome of what the old sorcery was meant to obtain.

 But once we have done that,

once the wheel begins turning back upon itself,
 we become the new sorcerers and our job now is basically the opposite of what it was before,

 now we dismantle the description....
and the Double fades.



I think a lot of folks might mix up the Soul with the Double, because they are very similar.



Like you say the Double isn't an exact image, I mean it's an astral/mental reflection of us..... form in fact isn't really a matter of consideration.... We humans tend to get boggled up in the whole Form thing and lose sight of what motivates the form.
Well this is about all, I realize I just touched lightly on a few things and any questions are appreciated and will always be answered as best I can.
I appreciate this ....forum.
It's difficult when you have a knowledge, that is your ....job to share....
but no one to share it with because it's not part of the most common human paradigm. And to even speak of it makes you look deluded or just plain crazy.
What I think Nyght is seeing and calling "transmogrification" is actually the point where the wheel turns back upon itself...I call it Culmination in Form.
Everything you quoted Nyght as saying, has a level of validity...
how do I put this?
It has grown beyond it's simple Truth.
It has been overly embellished by mentality and is more like a parable then a clear statement of how it is.
Do not take any of those words or teachings at face value...
their merit and power lies in your ability to
translate the parables.
Gotta go

 

Sea Daughter:
Jeff, I get that the "ancient sorcerers" are alive and well on planet earth. Most definitely. But the rest ....I'm not so sure about. That's okay ...I'm glad you are here and sharing your knowledge ....and yes --there seems to be nowhere else to discuss this topic. 

One thing I've noticed in my life, is that whenever there is a conflict, there is always truth and false on both sides -- AND a unifying solution which takes the truth from both, and discards the false -- satisfying both with no compromise.  I believe that is true of this idea as well.

If I am not mistaken, you are coming from the idea that since we got our "I self" from the Archons, then the only way to be free of them, is to go back to the way we were before -- meaning we must kill the "ego", our desires ....and our Double. It is the idea that in order to attain freedom, we must kill the thing we love most.

I'm not so sure that's true.  I think there's a way we can have our cake and eat it too.

Or maybe I have misunderstood you?

Jeff4freedom:
"If I am not mistaken, you are coming from the idea that since we got our "I self" from the Archons, then the only way to be free of them, is to go back to the way we were before -- meaning we must kill the "ego", our desires ....and our Double. It is the idea that in order to attain freedom, we must kill the thing we love most. I'm not so sure that's true."

I have no idea what the Archons are....but you are entirely correct about the idea of the killing the ego being not true. This belief, very dominant in the "spiritual" folks these days is entirely based in a complete lack of understanding of the evolutionary process and the Truth about the Ego.
I'm going to tell you something that very few folks can deal with.....
Not because it is untrue, but rather because for thousands of years Mankind has been programed to believe the whole ascension.....staircase scenario about evolution.... As I stated before , like most things in creation it is Circular. This has been known by the Mystics...forever, but the Mystics have always been.....sidelined, tortured, killed etc. by the religions that sought to convince people that Duality was the ultimate Truth and that our job was to transcend Desire and ego (even while these belief systems were totally steeped in them.
But here is the most feared truth:
The Ego, and the Soul....... are ONE THING.
The very same thing.
BUT
What has been named the "Ego" is simply the soul on the first turn of the evolutionary wheel.
It's part of the Plan,
without it there would be no evolution, no movement forward, no turning of the Wheel of Life.
You have to consider what the purpose of the ego is....and what the purpose of the soul is....
and guess what, it's the same thing.  The only difference is in the first part of our evolution it works via duality, via seeking pleasure and avoiding and stuffing pain.
(this is what the recapitulation  is designed to resolve.....but not until the first turn of the wheel is complete.
You see, the Purpose of every souls existence is to find it's unique separate expression, Once this has been done....the purpose changes, or you could say, "our Direction Changes"...this is how Don Juan would put it.  Then, and not before the recap... becomes one tool to aid in the journey. You see we are meant to create that unique separate expression (note those three words...UNIQUE, SEPARATE, EXPRESSION.   This is done via duality in the quest to avoid pain and seek pleasure.....this is how we define ourselves with the unique description that is uniquely ours. It's the freakin rule, it's the path....it's the "EGO"/soul that guides us, but the spiritual folks and Jive religions like to say that anything related to desire/seeking pleasure .... is wrong.  How can it be wrong when it's the freakin plan, and not one soul ever escapes this?
Jesus, Buddha, Mohammed etc.....were all first driven by duality to become something SEPARATE and unique.    But a point comes.... when we're done with that.  That point is sort of pre-determined by the Whole of what is, but the path there and the expression is Unique.
So every single one of us...and the old sorcery was adept at speeding up the process , is in the first half of our evolution driven by the soul which has been renamed by dualists....as ego.  Once that unique separate expression has culminated...... this is the point where the wheel of evolution turns back upon itself.
The direction now, is back towards UNITY.
We Did the SEPARATE UNIQUE thing to the max, now the souls drive is back towards UNITY.
The wheel turns back upon itself, and the path we walk now, is the very same path we walked up....only we're coming from the opposite direction....and duality is now becoming a thing of the past.  All the dualistic judgments that we made to complete our Definition of ourselves and the world...are recapitulated ...... we don't even have to try, it's gonna happen because all the dualistic judgments are hitting us in the face on the path back, only now, instead of building them with duality...with Fears and desires....we are seeing them as what they are.....beyond the dualistic judgments we placed upon them.  This is basically the definition of recapitulation. Facing that which we defined with duality....and removing the duality from it so it can be freed to simply be what it is.....freeing us as we do so.
Our description was made in Duality.
Our description is what drains our power.
Our description has no real reality except that in it's culmination it filed a void in the Totality of Creation.
But the new sorcerers job, is to escape the description....
this isn't done by Killing the ego or anything that some confused folks will tell you,
it's a matter of removing the duality from the description......
The task of the new seers is to become free of the description....and the reality is, once the soul has culminated in form, and the wheel reverses.....you don't have to be a freakin sorcerer to accomplish this....It's gonna happen no matter what.
The real talent of the old and new sorcerers is simply speeding up evolution.
Everything that both do has this aim, it's just that since the direction of each is different.... and the methods are sort of opposite, (one is where we collect things....the other we discard the collection and as Don Juan say's, Clean our Island up.
We spend thousands of years decorating our island until it's finally perfect.....
Then there is a stage of total boredom because we don't get any more satisfaction collecting things...but don't know anything else.... I call these folks <"the fence sitters" and my teachers told me part of my responsibility was nudging them off the fence.
There are a lot of folks sitting on that fence right now.
Done collecting things to define themselves....but not knowing the alternative, which of course is de cluttering TOTALLY eventually, their Island. And it isn't done by throwing the things off the island....it's done by no longer defining them with the duality that defined them when they were collected.....
You get it?

Tip of the iceberg here, but to understand all this requires a pretty major assemblage point shift. And accomplishing that through the vehicle of words.......can be a long drawn out affair.
.....and let me be clear here....we can't ever really understand anything by reading books, or listening to someone that does....we can only understand by EXPERIENCING the Truth of a thing. This isn't accomplished in the mind. I haven't read many books on all this stuff except to find a language to share it with others.... I put no creed in amassed knowledge...Because all of that is just basically ideas about the truth....which are one of the biggest impediments to experiencing the Truth of anything.
When I speak of these things, I am speaking from experience......from "Seeing", not from any ideas someone else put forth in a book....or in words to me. If it's not from my experience or "seeing", I'm not gonna talk about it...it's just opinion, just ideas......really pretty useless.
Don Juan taught Contemplation.  Straight up.
Not the "contemplation" of the occidents, which has become defined as milling something around in the mind....quite the opposite, in contemplation you remove the mind from the situation and use Intent to focus.....mindlessly and beyond any dualistic thoughts..... on what needs to be known....and this happens with the process because we become "identified" with that which we contemplate....we become it. This is the only True Knowing...... It can be very scary, sure scared the poop out of Carlos countless times....because once we remove the definition from that which we perceive....it becomes something quite different......
The new sorcerers path is relating to the world AS IT IS.....not as we have come to THINK it is. Those are two quite different things.
Gotta go, long day, did a show....made some money, dealt with hundreds of humans....need home family time before the fam hits the hay.
Thanks again for responding.....
Good communication

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