"he's stumbling across it on the steps and "Seeing" it from a whole new angle...."

Right, and this point contradicts your points about recapitulation, as this is recapitulation built into how we function. This is recapitulation from the vantage of the Higher Self.

"The New Sorcerers Contemplated (in the true sense,
 which is the opposite of defining, sometimes referred to as "Identifying with.")"

Also right, but to contemplate requires being able to be clear on how the construct has already been defined. In other words to decontruct the definition through contemplation requires understanding the definition that is already there. To do this, to understand, you have to look at what is already there, and define it in more than the one way it is already defined. So contemplation is NOT the opposite of defining, but contemplation does require you to use definition in a way that transcends the binary oppositional nature of the construct. The moment we are sufficiently clear in our understanding then the defined thing vanishes.

I also know what you mean by "identify with", but again I have to disagree on your terminology. Identification is always unconscious and automatic and part of how we create the construct; we are identified with the construct already. De-identification is part of what allows us to observe the construct with impartiality that allows us the freedom to deconstruct it. BUT perhaps what you mean by identify with, is that to deconstruct by way of contemplation requires becoming aware of our "bodily" felt-awareness of the construct. In doing so we embody what we are contemplating. This allows us to combine what we know with our being, which as Gurdjieff taught equals understanding.

""Seeing" is Contemplation,

it is the opposite of defining.

In defining we take one thing,

add it to another, then another etc.etc.etc.

and eventually come to a conclusion

 and then incorporate that into our being,

into our description,

and it becomes part of the defined Creation."

lol, this is identification!

When we contemplate we don't draw conclusions, we remain open. But when we contemplate it is helpful to have a certain "thickness" to our thinking. As such when you contemplate something you have to compare it, relate it to various analogies, all this is a process of defining things! You can't think, mentate, ponder, i.e. contemplate, without defining. Just when you contemplate you aren't attached or identified with that definition, because it is created mindfully and with the intent to deconstruct it doesn't add to our perceptual baggage.

"The old sorcery dealt within duality, with expertise.



The New sorcery seeks Unity.



Everything Don Juan did was to remove the description so that Reality could become incorporated into us. "

Ok, so the process you describe for de-contructing the construct isn't wrong. But no where do I see DJ saying that the old sorcerers where what you say they are. Can you cite a source by chance?

I think the old sorcerers had worse issues than that they were creating the construct. You might want to compare some of the things DJ has said about Death defiers, and old sorcerers to what Rudolf Steiner has said about black magic. Not saying I agree with everything Steiner taught, but his idea of black magic practicioners is what I believe the old sorcerers where, if that is true,  they where not quite like what you describe... unless there is more implied in what you describe then I'm realizing. But my understand of Steiner's conception of black magic would require the practitioner of such an art to be capable of experiencing the non-dual truth. As such a person deliberately chooses to go against the interdependence of all life, not because they don't know everything is one, but because they seek certain forms of power that come from not caring about this web of life other than to manipulate it. Much of today's destruction of the planet ecologically speaking, and the growing divide between rich and poor is do to the practices of these old black (magicians) sorcerers. 

The old sorcerers where probably cool with everyone else being caught up in the construct, as that was a web those sorcerers could manipulate. Yet to manipulate they would have to have been free of it.

"To the old sorcerers Creation was Reality.

To the New Sorcerers reality is what exists

beyond the definition,

beyond Creation....

The Primal Beingness."

Agreed the construction i.e. Creation is not reality. Reality is beyond the definition, and it is the Primal Beingness. On the other hand your distinction of old and new sorcerers still seems arbitrary to me,  I doubt you have sufficient evidence to make this claim.


If nothing else, tell me why the old sorcerers had the job of defining creation? Why not just leave us all in the experience of primal beingness, why create a labyrinth for us to walk through? What was the value in creating the construct?