Wow, Thank you, Thank you.....   Much has come from this discussion that was not expected.

So, you are of the old school, building your description....therefore the Light would have zero appeal to you, you are still ordering your island. And as you mentioned before ,the other is Timeless (at least in respect to where it will end up when you culminate in Form and the wheel turns. So you being of the old school, and me the new.. we will not see this the same.
But we are both correct in our views.
In 1971 I had a vision, interrupted by dogs biting my hand...the vision continued 40 years later to complete itself. This vision has explained everything I've ever needed to know....but of course it was totally in archetypes, so requires for translation the application of mind..... I've always been able to apply this vision to any question on the subject of the soul, God, evolution etc. to get an answer. But rarely sought to question myself.   I began this life on the 5th Ray.... very cool and my first wife was the Questioner..... And it was weird because the questions were not coming from her, but through her. So holy crap, evolution flew for me ..... But questions remain to be asked, and this post is basically asking a question.....about the double.
I have a lot of work to do today so tried to avoid it, but...he he, not happening.  When my soul receives a question it is compelled to get the answer.
So I looked to my Vision....
In my Vision, which was basically the Creation of Creation and it's evolution and the souls within that and  how they evolved.
Basically there was Darkness, and in that darkness appeared one thing....my first translation of that thing right after the vision was, "A lost thought searching for a place to become"... it shuddered then out from it, on this golden cord was created another, almost identical to it. There may have been more than one, but the vision was so cosmic.....it was a lot to take in. Well this creation of the original was almost identical to it, even in it's intent to "become" and it shuddered and projected another much like itself..... All these creations of the original creation doing the same thing, creating near replicas of themselves, all connected by this golden thread...which became this Huge web of creation.   Each individual creation inhabited a specific position in the web, but was kind of Hollow...and the free will of each creation was meant to fill that hollow, yet defined within a periphery that was pre-determined. So you could say that the limit was defined but not the Quality....That was each one's job to define.
Now this is just a little piece of the vision.... but basically this expansion of "lost thoughts" grew outwards and basically defined the Universe..... Then I was being bit by a German Shepherd puppy and brought out of it. 40 years later I was driving in the early hours of the AM, delivering rural newspaper and made the Mistake of asking, what am I supposed to be doing here.  The answer was, "Write"..... my reply was, Write what?..... Then I flashed into the rest of the vision.  Very interesting stuff.
So Creation expanded outward, but guess what, just like all the pieces that built it....it had an end point......Once the whole of the Web filled up to that point......the pieces didn't stop projecting replicas of themselves, but rather than the free for all into empty space, they were trapped in the periphery of the whole (similar to the periphery of each individual piece) and expanded within that. (this explains the Quickening, the enhanced evolution taking place now. (as well as the enhanced grasping to maintain the status quo, by the youngest of the young souls that have yet to culminate.)  Well now each of the individual pieces....the ones that had been there the longest, filled up their shells so to speak, then reached this point of .....Culmination...They completed the first turn of the wheel. Now the other ones around it, being about the same age...were doing the same thing, culminating in form...but once this was completed    that form which was dark, began to dissipate and fill up with Light, fed by the golden cord, until the separate forms in the same vicinity actually Merged, and at the Center of Creation this Huge Sun began to grow.
WOW!!!   OH, not yet...let's finish the previous point. Once the whole of Creation was filled a compression began as the ones on the outer edge kept creating more ....
wait for it.....
CONSTRUCTS/Doubles....
He he, holy crap.   Then this pressure enhanced the speed of which those in the center next to the sun....merged with it. (we are in this time NOW. The Mayan Calendar was correct. The end of their calendar was when Creation ,hit the Wall".
Now this I have never contemplated before and it's kind of blowing my mind, but fits some with what you said... It is quite possible, and very probable that our Constructs.....at the point of culmination....when we turn away from them, since the Law allowed them to take on a life of their own, are actually the seeds of the next Soul to be projected by us, into the Web. This also Jives with the Macrocosmic view, where once the whole of creation hits the wall, and begins compressing....In the Vision first towards the center all the separate pieces merging into the Light...but then finally the totality of it all merging into One Thing....Then suddenly you have Nothing but empty space, blackness....and then appears this one "lost thought searching to become" and the whole process begins again.  So from this I see that our Double, once we culminate, continues into a new separate creation, broken off from where we left off, just as the whole of Creation, once culminated, begins as a new Creation.   Carrying a small piece of us.
The Double, once we culminate......is the soul of our Projection (or projections) into the Web... WOW!   Once it gains separation from our Ego....the Life it has, is the beginning of the new soul that we project into the Web. With it's space to fill through free will but defined within a certain periphery.     WOW WOW WOW..... Thanks for having the forum and bringing unanswered questions.

The Double or Construct is not the ego or soul, see I mentioned this in the earliest post as a common mistake.
 Think of it like this,
 We have the soul or ego shining a light on us in our physical bodies and consciousness..... the shadow that is cast would be the Double. The Double is literally a "Double"....a "Construct" , our manifestation in relation to our soul or ego.
 How can one person's soul as you call the Double, be another person...
we are each totally unique,
 it's virtually impossible for there to be a crossover like that,
 it's against Law.
we are a reflection/manifestation so to speak of our soul or ego, the Double is a reflection/manifestation of our consciousness, as it interprets and interplays with our soul or ego.

What do you mean by interrelationship of identity on the astral plane.?

The Soul or ego puts forth the energy that defines us....our response to that puts forth the energy that defines the Double. We are the intermediary between soul and construct.  The Double has no reality beyond being our creation, or you could say a creation of our Description, just as we are defined by our soul, the double is defined by our consciousness as it interprets our souls influence.
 

hhhmmm... much of what you say I agree with, but I still don't see the Double as quite the same thing as you....

You are right in part that the Double is at least partly the construct, but the Double could also literally be another physical person; this is do to a feature of the interrelationship of identity on the astral plane. In essence the Double is the astral body or the soul, and yet in a sense it isn't the soul until the second turn of the wheel. Before that it is just the ego, and its construct; which are really one thing.

Even your definition shows this, if you really go back and think about it.

First of all know that your Double, can be called the Other, that is fine, but understand that even as a separate sex from you, it is still a duplicate of you. Physically you are one gender, but egoically, psychologically, in your soul, you are not just one gender. 

Next everything you do in your existence, helps the Double evolve. If you are narrow minded, lack depth, if you are limited in the experiences you are willing to have, then your double wont grow to its full potential, and your double will not be of much use to you. You have to venture forth into the world, and experience everything from as many angles as possible, as deeply as possible. Embrace life with Love and a thirst for adventurous learning.

Most important of all experiences for both you and your double, is to come to see all of these experiences wholistically, integrally i.e. non-dualistically. Della does mention that the double is the Higher self... I think this goes into confusing the soul and the double.. but suffice to say the only way to experience the Higher self is to transcend dualism in your experience! Which all of Della's techniques are designed to help us achieve anyway. 

Now I have to ask, when you communicate with your double via a Ouija board how do you know it is your double?

Also, and this is perhaps the most important question: Why is the double an appealing concept for you? What does the Double mean to you?

"he's stumbling across it on the steps and "Seeing" it from a whole new angle...."

Right, and this point contradicts your points about recapitulation, as this is recapitulation built into how we function. This is recapitulation from the vantage of the Higher Self.

"The New Sorcerers Contemplated (in the true sense,
 which is the opposite of defining, sometimes referred to as "Identifying with.")"

Also right, but to contemplate requires being able to be clear on how the construct has already been defined. In other words to decontruct the definition through contemplation requires understanding the definition that is already there. To do this, to understand, you have to look at what is already there, and define it in more than the one way it is already defined. So contemplation is NOT the opposite of defining, but contemplation does require you to use definition in a way that transcends the binary oppositional nature of the construct. The moment we are sufficiently clear in our understanding then the defined thing vanishes.

I also know what you mean by "identify with", but again I have to disagree on your terminology. Identification is always unconscious and automatic and part of how we create the construct; we are identified with the construct already. De-identification is part of what allows us to observe the construct with impartiality that allows us the freedom to deconstruct it. BUT perhaps what you mean by identify with, is that to deconstruct by way of contemplation requires becoming aware of our "bodily" felt-awareness of the construct. In doing so we embody what we are contemplating. This allows us to combine what we know with our being, which as Gurdjieff taught equals understanding.

""Seeing" is Contemplation,

it is the opposite of defining.

In defining we take one thing,

add it to another, then another etc.etc.etc.

and eventually come to a conclusion

 and then incorporate that into our being,

into our description,

and it becomes part of the defined Creation."

lol, this is identification!

When we contemplate we don't draw conclusions, we remain open. But when we contemplate it is helpful to have a certain "thickness" to our thinking. As such when you contemplate something you have to compare it, relate it to various analogies, all this is a process of defining things! You can't think, mentate, ponder, i.e. contemplate, without defining. Just when you contemplate you aren't attached or identified with that definition, because it is created mindfully and with the intent to deconstruct it doesn't add to our perceptual baggage.

"The old sorcery dealt within duality, with expertise.



The New sorcery seeks Unity.



Everything Don Juan did was to remove the description so that Reality could become incorporated into us. "

Ok, so the process you describe for de-contructing the construct isn't wrong. But no where do I see DJ saying that the old sorcerers where what you say they are. Can you cite a source by chance?

I think the old sorcerers had worse issues than that they were creating the construct. You might want to compare some of the things DJ has said about Death defiers, and old sorcerers to what Rudolf Steiner has said about black magic. Not saying I agree with everything Steiner taught, but his idea of black magic practicioners is what I believe the old sorcerers where, if that is true,  they where not quite like what you describe... unless there is more implied in what you describe then I'm realizing. But my understand of Steiner's conception of black magic would require the practitioner of such an art to be capable of experiencing the non-dual truth. As such a person deliberately chooses to go against the interdependence of all life, not because they don't know everything is one, but because they seek certain forms of power that come from not caring about this web of life other than to manipulate it. Much of today's destruction of the planet ecologically speaking, and the growing divide between rich and poor is do to the practices of these old black (magicians) sorcerers. 

The old sorcerers where probably cool with everyone else being caught up in the construct, as that was a web those sorcerers could manipulate. Yet to manipulate they would have to have been free of it.

"To the old sorcerers Creation was Reality.

To the New Sorcerers reality is what exists

beyond the definition,

beyond Creation....

The Primal Beingness."

Agreed the construction i.e. Creation is not reality. Reality is beyond the definition, and it is the Primal Beingness. On the other hand your distinction of old and new sorcerers still seems arbitrary to me,  I doubt you have sufficient evidence to make this claim.


If nothing else, tell me why the old sorcerers had the job of defining creation? Why not just leave us all in the experience of primal beingness, why create a labyrinth for us to walk through? What was the value in creating the construct?